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Most paleontologists, and others refuse to carbon date dinosaur bones. They dont want you to see it. But our Paleo team has Carbon 14 dated dinosaur bones from Texas, Colorado, Montana, China, North Dakota, and Alaska by professional labs using accelerator mass spectrometry. Every sample dates to between 23,000 and 39,000 years before the present. Did Asteroids kill the dinosaurs? When did Asteroids hit. See below and on our Carbon 14 dating page.



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LATEST NEWS

We have exciting new information concerning asteroids,dinosaur organic matter and footprints. So read on.

LATEST NEWS ON ASTEROIDS



ASTEROIDS: Scientists have discovered a very large asteroid impact site in Antarctica. As little as 200 years ago mainstream English speaking scientist did not believe that stones fell from the sky contrary to all the anecdotal evidence over the past centuries. Asteroids are usually referred to as being a solid rock from outer space whereas comets are usually a mixture of ice and rock and typically burn up before hitting the earth.

In 1907 a large something from outer space destroyed thousands of acres of forest in Tunguska. Scientist for the last hundred years have been searching for a crator or remnants of space rock. Finally in 2008 scientist think they have found an impact site at the bottom of a nearby lake Cheko. click here to see the profile of the bottom of the lake! Whats at the bottom might be shattered rocks or impact melt or maybe a piece of meteorite.

National Geographic reports that scientist Dallas Abbott from Columbia University has been gathering data and announcing for the past ten years that a giant tsunami deposited ocean floor sediment on Madigascar. The sediments cover an area 2 times the size of Manhattan and are over 600 feet tall. Somewhere in the Indian ocean is thought to be where the giant asteroid struck that produced this giant wave. More shocking is the fact that the microfossils in this sediment were dated to less than 7,000 years ago. The really disturbing conclusion is that civilization destroying bolides such as these have happened not millions of years ago but thousands of years ago. click here to see deposit site

In northern Arizona is a large Meteor Crater, the Barringer Crater, Its well preserved shape suggests a very recent origin. During the last 100 years numerous attempts have been made to determine when this event happened. The age of this event has varied from 800 years ago to 200,000 years ago. It all depends on what age determination method is used and what assumptions are made using the method. The Hopi Indians who live in that area have legends about the meteor's impact. Since they would have been living in the area at the time to have observed and passed on a tradition of the event for posterity, that would limit the impact to less than 10,000 years ago. For an exhaustive treatment of the subject see   Meteor Crater

An Asteroid that hits earth can cause earth shattering catastrophic damage. The Chicxulub asteroid that hit in the Yucatan of Mexico was the equivalent of 100 trillion tons of TNT. Thats a billion times more powerful than the A bombs dropped on Japan in World War II. It is thought by some to have been the cause of the death of the dinosaurs. our research shows that all dinosaur bones tested have Carbon 14 in them which indicated that they are only thousands not millions of years old. Since that is the case if in fact these dinosaurs died as a result of the asteroid hit at Chicxulub then the asteroid hit also only thousands of years ago! Numerous unpetrified dinosuar bones found in Mesozoic strata have been dated and average 31,000 radio carbon years old. The Mesozoic strata was laid down at the same time as the dinosaur bones and are the same age. This strata contains hundreds of asteroids which have been identified thus far. Now that we know the strata they struck is tens of thousands of years old and not millions of years old, we can see that asteroids arrive at a rate around 2000 times higher than previously projected. "The number of discovered Near-Earth Asteroids now tops 15,000, with and average of 30 new discoveries added each week" according to NASA's webpage NASA web page


As recently as February 15, 2013 a meteorite hit in Chelyabinsk Russia. Its arrival was caught on video. The impact was calculated as the equivalent of a blast of 300,000 tons of TNT. It shattered windows and damaged over 3,000 buildings and injured 1500 people. It could have been a lot worse of course. It points out the imminent danger of another large meteorite or asteroid from outer space wiping out possibly whole civilizations. An Asteroid labled 2012-tc-4 will supposedly miss the earth by 4000 miles on October 12,13 of 2017 . That is terribly close. If that asteroid hit earth the damage would depend on several factors: speed of entry, does it hit on land or sea, angle of penetration at impact, size and weight of material, type of material in the rock, and whether the material is solid or loosely held together. Consider an asteroid YU55 which came near the earth in 2011. If it had struck in the ocean a sunami 60 feet high might have been generated. Imagine if that hit near New York City or San Francisco or Cleveland. It is estimated that first degree burns from the fireball would have afflicted people within 60 miles.

Could these asteroids have caused the earth to crack and continents to move? What caused the continents to separate and created many of the mountain ranges of the world. Slowly drifting continents have been the usual explanation for the past 50 years and is generally referred to as Plate Tectonics Theory. That idea was proposed in 1915 but was not accepted by the scientific community until 50 years later. Now another theory has been proposed to better explain the events. It is called Shock Dynamics and can explain all those events better. It says that an exceptionally large asteroid split the single continent and moved its pieces to where we see them today. See reference 3 below for a thorough explanation.

The few centimeters of motion in the plates measured now is due to a difference in how fast the outer lithosphere rotates versus the inner mantle, a mechanism proposed for Plate Tectonis by mainstream geologists years ago.

DINOSAUR ORGANIC MATERIAL FOUND



DINOSAUR ORGANIC MATERIAL: Not only has dinosaur blood blood vessels, and collagen been found and confirmed by the whole scientific community, now fragments of collagen and iron rich proteins have been found within the walls of blood vessels. Scientists descrribe it as a "startling find" especially since the dinosaur bone it was found in was reported to be 195 million years old. Dinosaur organic matter found

Imagine the impossibility of a dinosaur bone not turning to stone, not decaying and crumbling to dust and the contents inside the bone surviving. What is involved would be 195 million years of summer, winter, rain, snow, droughts, floods, earthquakes, crustal movement, perhaps a million or more of these events and yet this bone with its organic matter is still there. A few years ago scientists worldwide agreed that no organic material could ever survive beyond thousands of years.

There are two possibilities here to explain what is happening. One explanation is that somehow organic matter truly survives millions of years and we did not know it. The other more reasonable explanation is that these bones are not 195 million years old and that the method used to determine that 195 million year age is flawed. Our research at the paleo group shows that the age determing method is in error. We have carbon dated dinosaur bones from all over the world and they all have easily measurable amounts of Carbon 14 in them. This proves that the bones are only thousands and not millions of years old. If one does exhaustive research on dating methods one finds that carbon dating is more reliable more studied more widely used than any other dating method. It can also be cross checked by using historical data such as tree ring counting. Dating methods that give ages in millions of years are more in doubt if one carefully studys the methods and assumptions. See also   Carbon 14 Dating

Further evidence that dinosaurs were around thousands of years ago exist in the following ways: depictions on canyon walls, and ancient building, mosaics in Italy and israel, dinosaur figurines discovered in graves sites, accurate depictions of dinosaurs on burial stones in south America, etc. See also  Dinosaurs in history      

Our research has been largely ignored and mainstream science has even refused to test our results by trying their own carbon dating of dinosaur bones. This is not the scientific way, ignoring new information because it does not fit your present ideas!! They have even refused to publish our findings in America. Our team published a paper in 2009 dating bones in Germany and in the National Research Council of Italy in 2009.

OLDEST HUMAN FOOTPRINTS



FOOTPRINTS: New information found in Laetoli Tanzania. Like the footprints found in 1976, they are in the same layer of volcanic ash near the surface that would likely have hardened a few hours after it fell. But the one who made these footprints, labled S-1, was larger than individuals who made the 1976 footprints. Possibly a male he is estimated to have stood 5 foot 5 inches high comparable to many modern humans. the gait is human like. If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck maybe it is a duck..... in this case a human. Yet the footprints are supposedly 3 million years old. Read more.    New Laotoli Foot prints


REFERENCES:

1. New large crater discovery www.space.com new crater
2. Tungusta crater may have been finally discovered Tungusta impact site
3. For explanation of Tunguska strike and eye witness account see Tunguska event
4. For explanation of how asteroids caused plate to move see shock dynamics
5. For more complete discussion of recent catastrophic events see   Catastrophic events
6. Arizona Meteor Crater discussion see   Meteor Crater
7. Did a comet cause the great flood see   comet caused great flood
8. New Footprints    New Laetoli Foot prints
9. An in depth study of a footprint delk foot print
10. NASA Meteorite information NASA meteorite information page
11. New information on dinosaur protein and organic matter Dinosaur organic matter found
12. Dinosaur collagen dinosaur collagen
13. Carbon dating of dinosaur bones dating bones
14. Carbon dating of dinosaur bones published in Nationa Research COuncil of Italy Tramonto entitled "Evoluzionismo Li Tramonto di Una Ipotesi pages 125-155.

 WHO WE ARE


We are a group of consultants in geology, paleontology, chemistry, engineering, and education who perform research on fossils.   We are affiliated with no church or university.    We are open to ideas concerning the past history of the earth We are especially interested in anomalies of science and theories about past cataclysms that have happened on earth that all scientist acknowledge have happened.    We do not receive any funding from any government foundation.    Therefore we do not have to hold fast to certain ideas or paradigms for fear of losing our funding or our tenure.   We are not all of any particular creed or denomination.   We welcome scientific information that may not be published in respected journals due to its controversial nature.   We participate in excavations, arrange for radiocarbon dating (RC, 14C, or Carbon-14) of fossil material at licensed laboratories, work with museums, and prepare reports for publication world-wide.   We have investigated fossil material from all over the world.


In addition to the age question which undermines evolution theory, there are many other sciences that challenge it. The links below are just a few
  http://originality-of-species.net      
  http://newgeology.us      
  www.kolbecenter.org      
  www.icr.org      
  http://www.sedimentology.fr/      
  http://originality-of-species.net      
  http://newgeology.us      
  www.kolbecenter.org      
  www.icr.org      
  http://www.sedimentology.fr/      



 

          WHAT WE ARE DOING

FOSSIL COLLECTING AND ANALYSIS: We collect samples of fossils of various species from the United States including Alaska , the Arctic region, and locations world-wide while working with other teams of scientists. We have performed analysis using various equipment and methods.   We have examined exact elemental composition, carbon content, collagen content, bioapatite content and carbon 14 content on samples.

A fossil can be found in one geological strata or enclosed by several geological stratum. The latter is known as a polystrate fossil.

There are four ages associated with a fossil found in a geological stratum. First is the age of the actual pieces of rock/slate/clay/limestone etc that covers the fossil. Second is the age of the fossil itself. Third is the age of exactly when the rock/clay/limestone actually covered up the fossil. Fourth is the age of the geological strata the fossil is found in. All four ages can be different. Most scientific activity involves measuring the first or fourth age. The second age is the only true age for determining how old a dinosaur bone actually is. For example measuring the first age will give you how old the material is that has buried the fossil. The material could have been formed thousands of years before and then just recently covered our fossil. Measuring the third age if it were accurately known would be all right but the assumptions involved in knowing when the material covered the fossil are based on weak assumption. If one can date the actual fossil itself that is the best way. In fact material such as amber, dinosaur bones, shale, limestone have been shown to have radioactive carbon 14 which means they are dateable.

We are one of the few groups that DATE THE FOSSILS THEMSELVES and not the rock material enclosing them. Most scientific dating is done by measuring the radiometric age of volcanic material adjacent to the fossil. The assumption being that the age of the volcanic material is the age of the fossil. This assumption may not always be true since the volcanic material could have been formed earlier and then moved into place to cover the fossil. When scientists do not have adjacent material that is radiometrically dateable they then typically look at the fossils in the strata or its other geological characteristics and decide its age based on similarity to other formations. For example if it has carbonized tree ferns and looks similar to what they call Pennslvanian strata then they conclude it is the same age as they say the Pennslyvanian strata. We consider this faulty logic and that scientists should always date the fossils with carbon dating when carbon is present. Note that even many mineralized, petrified, hard as stone fossils have been found to contain carbon when analyzed. Many dinosaur bones, clay, shales, limestone contain measurable amounts of carbon.

In 2010 we dated a shale sample from the Green River Formation of Colorado because it contained 10.8 % carbon. See carbon dating page for interesting results.

CARBON 14 DATING: We have performed carbon 14 analysis of bones, fossils, soils etc. to determine ages of materials found in various locations.

There are over 100 C14 labs world-wide and they have a peer review journal called Radiocarbon that weeds out the errors. They have 60 some years during which the variables have been studied and have identified young contaminants which can be removed by acid - base - acid pretreatments AND surface preservatives by refluxing specimens in organic solvents before testing for C14 content and dating.

There is also the "reservoir effect" in which radiochemists have identified several ways fossils can be too old due to old carbon contamination. We think the reservoir effect applies to old carbon contamination of dinosaur bones and carbon in the rocks.- these bones may be 3-5 times too old than what we obtain even though our C14 ages are 1000 to 2000 times younger than what dating the rocks by conventional geology suggests . See our pages on radiocarbon dating and radioactive dating for some of the main reasons why dating the volcanic rocks containing radioactive decay elements and their daughter elements and the older previous conventional methods are NOT the way to go.

The stratigraphic or geologic column (GC) is dated conventionally by 19th century assumptions of 1000's of years for a few cm. of sediment to form and lithify [harden] into rock. It is dated with radioactive isotopes and with the assumption that the simplest life forms were formed at the bottom of the GC and then life became more complicated after millions of years. Dating strata by the location and depth in the strata is circular reasoning that is not verified by numerous measurements. We can C14 date many of the fossils and sometimes we even date the age of the carbon containing rocks that encase the fossil.

Sedimentary rocks are NOT datable by non C14 radiometric methods as they contain no radioactive decay elements.

Experimental sedimentology in large hydraulic flumes indicates that strata can form rapidly including mudstones.
"It was not until 1999 that there seemed to be an awakening to the idea that geological ages are measured by the time taken for sediments to deposit and not by biological revolutions or orogeny. Prof. Gabriel Gohau of the French Geological Society confirmed this fact in his book A History of Geology (1999):

" Ce qui mesure le temps, ce sont les durées de sédimentation, sur lesquelles tout le monde est plus ou moins d?accord, et non celles des orogenèses et des révolutions biologiques. (Translation: Time is measured by the time taken for sediments to deposit, a fact upon which everybody is more or less agreed, and not by orogenesis or ?biological revolutions?).

Prof. Gohau mentioned in his work how Charles Lyell was influenced in the construction of the geological time scale by his belief in biological « revolutions» (macro-evolution) occurring over 240 millions of years.

Reference: http://www.sedimentology.fr/

  • CONFERENCE ATTENDANCE AND PUBLISHING OF REPORTS: We recently presented papers and attended the annual conference in December of 2014in San Francisco to see report click here. or here Conference paper We participated several international conferences in Italy and Germany concerning the impossibility of evolution. We recently attended the AGU convention in San Francisco and presented a press release at that time Several abstracts of our papers have recently been submitted to geological, paleontology, and science journals. We also have established a radioblog  blog site.. See also below.
  • LITERATURE SEARCHING: We are examining Radiocarbon journal and many other technical journals to improve our expertise concerning C-14 dating, its problems, best methods and pre treatment of samples to ensure elimination of possible old and young contaminants.
  • ANOMALY INVESTIGATION: We are constantly on the alert to anomalies in geology, earth's history, paleontology, and radiometric dating, as these are often keys to unlocking new knowledge of the earth's past.   For example, carbon 14 exists in coal, diamonds, amber, and dinosaur fossils and none should exist according to evolutionary theory.



    CHALLENGE TO SCIENTISTS



    C-14 Dating of Dinosaur Bones and Competing Scientific Paradigms of Earth's History.

    Appropriate responses to climate change and potentially catastrophic asteroid impacts demand interpretations of data in the context of an accurate paradigm of earth's history. The history of science contains many examples of ?reigning paradigms? that retarded and obstructed scientific and medical research. For example, one of our nation?s greatest presidents, James A. Garfield, died early in his first term, not from an assassin's bullet, as widely believed, but from the infection introduced into his body by his attending surgeon who followed the ?reigning paradigm? of his day and used unwashed hands and an unsterilized surgical instrument to probe the president's wounds. Most surgeons at that time had no place for the ?alternative paradigm? of men like Dr. Joseph Lister who were trying to introduce sterile procedures in surgery. Thus, President Garfield died from the effects of a false scientific paradigm.

    Today, most scientists are working within a false paradigm of earth?s history which holds that all living things have evolved through the same kinds of material processes going on today over hundreds of millions of years. One of the prominent displays in support of this paradigm is the alleged evidence that dinosaurs became extinct sixty-five million years before humans allegedly evolved from a common ancestor with chimpanzees. Richard Dawkins has stated that, if authenticated, ?human bones in the Carboniferous coal deposits . . . would blow the theory of evolution out of the water" (Free Inquiry, V.21, No.4, 10/11/2001).

    Recent research by an international team of scientists has demonstrated that dinosaur bones contain C-14 in the same amounts as saber tooth tigers, dire wolves, ancient bison, mammoths and other creatures that have lived with human beings. This and a large body of other evidence, including preservation of soft tissue in dinosaur bones and preservation of DNA with a half-life of 500 years in fossils alleged to be tens of millions of years old, falsifies the standard chronology of earth?s history. To determine appropriate responses to climate change and asteroid impacts, the US House Committee on Science, Space and Technology must be able to interpret geological and astronomical data within a correct paradigm of earth?s history. Failure to do so will result in the adoption of false solutions and a colossal waste of tax-payers? money.

    By inviting outstanding scientists who support an alternative paradigm for earth?s history, based on empirical evidence and twenty-first century scientific tools, which collapses the hundreds of millions of years of the standard paradigm into a much shorter time-frame, the Committee will be able to determine which of the two paradigms better explains the evidence. The Committee will also be able to exemplify the proper scientific method by evaluating competing paradigms, rather than following a Lysenkoist methodology which demands blind adherence to a single paradigm and indoctrination of all young scientists into that paradigm. This, in turn, will encourage American educators to educate, rather than indoctrinate, young people, by allowing them to critically evaluate the competing paradigms in the light of the evidence.

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