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   We are a group of consultants in geology, paleontology, chemistry, engineering, and education who perform research on fossils.   The Paleo Group is not affiliated with any church or university.    We are open to ideas concerning the past history of the earth. We are especially interested in anomalies of science and theories about past cataclysms that have happened on earth that all scientists acknowledge have happened.    We have learned that they appear to have happened far more recently then claimed by main stream science. We do not receive any funding from any government foundation.    Therefore we do not have to hold fast to certain ideas or paradigms for fear of losing our funding or our tenure.   We are not all of any particular creed or denomination.   We welcome scientific information that may or may not be published in respected journals due to its controversial nature.   We participate in excavations, arrange for radiocarbon dating (RC, 14C, or Carbon-14) of fossil material at licensed laboratories, work with museums, and prepare reports and abstracts for publication and conferences world-wide.   We have investigated fossil material from all over the world.


           WHAT WE ARE DOING


    We collect samples of fossils of various species from the United States including Alaska , the Arctic region, and locations world-wide while working with other teams of scientists. We have performed analysis using various equipment and methods.   We have examined exact elemental composition, carbon content, collagen content, bioapatite content and carbon 14 content on samples.

    A fossil can be found in one geological strata or enclosed by several geological stratum. The latter is known as a polystrate fossil.

    There are three ages associated with a fossil found in a geological stratum. First is the age of the actual pieces of rock/slate/clay/limestone etc that covers the fossil. Second is the age of the fossil itself. Third is the age of exactly when the rock/clay/limestone actually covered up the fossil. All three ages can be different. Most scientific activity involves measuring the first or third age. The second age is the only true age for determining how old a dinosaur bone actually is. For example measuring the first age will give you how old the material is that has buried the fossil. The material could have been formed thousands of years before and then just recently covered our fossil. Measuring the third age if it were accurately known would be all right but the assumptions involved in knowing when the material covered the fossil are based on weak assumption. If one can date the actual fossil itself that is the best way. In fact material such as amber, dinosaur bones, shale, limestone have been shown to have radioactive carbon 14 which means they are dateable.

    We are one of the few groups that DATE THE FOSSILS THEMSELVES and not the rock material enclosing them. Most scientific dating is done by measuring the radiometric age of volcanic material adjacent to the fossil. The assumption being that the age of the volcanic material is the age of the fossil. This assumption may not always be true since the volcanic material could have been formed earlier and then moved into place to cover the fossil. When scientists do not have adjacent material that is radiometrically dateable they then typically look at the fossils in the strata or its other geological characteristics and decide its age based on similarity to other formations. For example if it has carbonized tree ferns and looks similar to what they call Pennslvanian strata then they conclude it is the same age as they say the Pennslyvanian strata. We consider this faulty logic and that scientists should always date the fossils with carbon dating when carbon is present. Note that even many mineralized, petrified, hard as stone fossils have been found to contain carbon when analyzed. Many dinosaur bones, clay, shales, limestone contain measurable amounts of carbon.

    In 2010 we dated a shale sample from the Green River Formation of Colorado because it contained 10.8 % carbon. See carbon dating page for interesting results.


    We have performed carbon 14 analysis of bones, fossils, soils etc. to determine ages of materials found in various locations.

    There are over 100 C14 labs world-wide and they have a peer review journal called Radiocarbon that weeds out the errors. They have 60 some years during which the variables have been studied and have identified young contaminants which can be removed by acid - base - acid pretreatments AND surface preservatives by refluxing specimens in organic solvents before testing for C14 content and dating.

    There is also the "reservoir effect" in which radiochemists have identified several ways fossils can be too old due to old carbon contamination. We think the reservoir effect applies to old carbon contamination of dinosaur bones and carbon in the rocks.- these bones may be 3-5 times too old than what we obtain even though our C14 ages are 1000 to 2000 times younger than what dating the rocks by conventional geology suggests . See our pages on radiocarbon dating and radioactive dating for some of the main reasons why dating the volcanic rocks containing radioactive decay elements and their daughter elements and the older previous conventional methods are NOT the way to go.

    The stratigraphic or geologic column (GC) is dated conventionally by 19th century assumptions of 1000's of years for a few cm. of sediment to form and lithify [harden] into rock. It is dated with radioactive isotopes and with the assumption that the simplest life forms were formed at the bottom of the GC and then life became more complicated after millions of years. Dating strata by the location and depth in the strata is circular reasoning that is not verified by numerous measurements. We can C14 date many of the fossils and sometimes we even date the age of the carbon containing rocks that encase the fossil.

    Sedimentary rocks are NOT datable by non C14 radiometric methods as they contain no radioactive decay elements.

    Experimental sedimentology in large hydraulic flumes indicates that strata can form rapidly including mudstones.
    "It was not until 1999 that there seemed to be an awakening to the idea that geological ages are measured by the time taken for sediments to deposit and not by biological revolutions or orogeny. Prof. Gabriel Gohau of the French Geological Society confirmed this fact in his book A History of Geology (1999):

    " Ce qui mesure le temps, ce sont les durées de sédimentation, sur lesquelles tout le monde est plus ou moins d’accord, et non celles des orogenèses et des révolutions biologiques. (Translation: Time is measured by the time taken for sediments to deposit, a fact upon which everybody is more or less agreed, and not by orogenesis or “biological revolutions”).

    Prof. Gohau mentioned in his work how Charles Lyell was influenced in the construction of the geological time scale by his belief in biological « revolutions» (macro-evolution) occurring over 240 millions of years.



    We participated several international conferences in Italy and Germany concerning the impossibility of evolution and our peer reviewed paper was published in both countries (see link We recently attended the AGU convention in San Francisco and presented a press release at that time ( See it on the carbon dating page). Several abstracts of our papers have recently been submitted to geological, paleontology, and science journals. Most recently we attended an international AGU conference in Singapore where a presentation was given on carbon dating of dinosaur bones. (to see a presentation click here  conference talk)   (See also a radio interview  radio interview)
    For the Singapore press Release of late August 2012 go to
    We also have established a radioblog
     blog site.. See also below.

    We are examining Radiocarbon journal and many other technical journals to improve our expertise concerning C-14 dating, its problems, best methods and pre treatment of samples to ensure elimination of possible old and young contaminants.

    We are constantly on the alert to anomalies in geology, earth's history, paleontology, and radiometric dating, as these are often keys to unlocking new knowledge of the earth's past.   For example, carbon 14 exists in coal, diamonds, amber, and dinosaur fossils and none should exist according to evolutionary theory.


    The main basis for the big bang theory and for claiming expansion/acceleration of the universe has been "observed' redshifted photons. There is already a very simple, very empirical, already demonstrated CAUSE for that phenomenon. Red shift of light can be brought about in the laboratory. See the links below.

    Electron density in plasma affects the redshift. Lasers are common phenomena in outer space, most commonly as ultraviolet light beams inside spiral arm galaxy filaments. Obviously lasers are fundamentally responsible for causing the galactic redshifts, and not the big-bang by inventing mysterious dark energy. Galaxies found to emit laser beams, are wrongly attributed to black holes. Some scientists are trying to get a laser and electron density plasma probe called a Langmuir sensor probe, included on the ArduSat satellite. In 1 year they can test this ideas for 3 days in space These devices could compare the electron differences in plasma high up from earth at any steerable location e.g. magnetic poles, magnetic field lines, etc and compare results to lab data. It can also be used to study the sun, and x-rays of pulsars and neutron stars they say.

    Do you wonder what the mainstream is going to do with this relatively new (last few years) successful redshifting of light in the laboratory. I'm sure they will continue to ignore it for awhile yet, but the empirical handwriting is now on the wall. There is now a FULLY EMPIRICAL explanation for the redshift phenomenon.




    See below some radio talk shows for 2011.

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